Global ipbans

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  1. Squire
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    This. Or if a hacker ban evades
     
  2. i_am_youtuber
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    You still have family, and you still have VPNs
     
  3. extender
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    called getting an antiVPN? also what mc central did
     
  4. i_am_youtuber
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    Talked with an admin about this, here's what he said.

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    well, "anti-vpn" plugins just block IP ranges. There is no real definitive way to know if someone is using a VPN or not based on packet inspection.

    we dont use an anti vpn plugin because VPNs are used by more good guys than bad guys. I have used a VPN without fail for years now.

    As for banning IPs--thats just kinda stupid. it brings issues like families, and dynamic IPs etc. it would also mean less players."
     
  5. JazzMagic
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    1. Hackers should be perm banned honestly, and there is probably a plugin out there where you can temp ip ban.

    2. I doubt there are a lot of players that have family members that also play. You can never be sure if someone made an appeal claiming to be a sibling.
     
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    I know right it makes no sense the hacker can just claim hes a sibling and he can play away @i_am_youtuber
     
  7. i_am_youtuber
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    Which is an exact reason we shouldn't ip ban? People wouldn't even be able to get unbanned anyway if we did because that would involve unbanning the person who would be ip banned aswell. All this would be doing is lowering the playerbase.
     
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    This won't hurt the player base, if anything it'll take the hackers and other rule breakers off the server permanently. And if there were to be implemented, the sibling excuse shouldn't be a valid reason to unban someone.
     
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    This is true cant the hacker just play on a siblings account they should both face a consequence and work it out togeather and Im almost positive a hacker doesnt have a sibling who plays.
     
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    Yeah. Siblings should work it out. I would be furious at my brother if I found out he was hacking and got us both IP banned. I'd appeal and make sure he never hacked again. The whole "Oh, but family" thing is an excuse.
    Edit: And again, in this case scenario, Ip banning shouldn't be the first form of punishment. It should occur after multiple offenses. That is;
    • Getting banned for hacking, then immediately hacking on an alt.
    • Ban evading for whatever reason.
    People just automatically assume we're intending to IP ban players straight away. That's not the case. However, you have to take into account that Mr. Jimmy over here doesn't have 15+ siblings who only log on to hack after their brother is banned. This is ridiculous that we're letting these people with unlimited alternate accounts hack to their hearts consent. Yes, VPN's are a thing, but literally that's no reason to not try. It's like refusing to take a shot because you might miss. Yet there's a 100% chance of missing if you don't at least take the shot.
    Again, as for siblings, I already explained it; sibling issues can be resolved. If my brother got IP banned, I'd discuss it with him and make an appeal for myself. BUT, like I said, IP ban should occur after multiple hacking offenses. I'd know about it and tell my sibling to stop hacking after getting banned the first time.
     
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  11. Snookaii
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    once again not every hacker has a vpn show me a statistic showing ALL HACKERS HAVE VPN
    if they have siblings thats their problem, they can appeal for that
     
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    great
     
  13. Westania
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    if the server would get a anti vpn like most good servers then this would be good. but right now no support
     
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    As everyone else said but also because it would mean that moderators have access to see ips (unless I'm wrong). This would cause some problems like if their account got hacked, if they just decided to screw people over (which has happened), etc. There's a lot that can go wrong with that.
     
  15. extender
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    no i think its /alts not ips
     
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    Nah that is to see the accounts on the same ip's. We don't see the ip's for that command, but to ip ban I feel like you need to know their ip. I mean I could be stupid and very wrong (which is very possible)
     
  17. Xokah
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    No support, could easily change ip or use a vpn and ban evade immediately. Also relatives could get banned due to a sibling etc and mineverse can’t afford to lose more players.
     
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